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In this episode I talk about the idea of tolerance and what it's place is.  Also I talk about why I think morals and ethics should be discussed more in Paganism and tell you about my own views on morality.

The music for this show comes from the cd "Putumayo Presents SAMBA BOSSA NOVA" from Putumayo World Music which can be purchased at www.putumayo.com, from Amazon.com or your local retailer.

The opening song is "E Luxo So" by Rosa Passos

The closing song is "Papo de Psicologo" by Jairzinho Oliveira

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  • Dave of PCP

    It seems you’re conveying the idea that any idea that isn’t immoral or unethical should be tolerated. But what’s your take on the “show up in fairy wings” scenario?

    To elaborate, a few years ago there was a Pagan Pride Day in Hamilton, Ontario where a person showed up in Fairy Wings. This is not immoral, or unethical. I don’t even think it would even detract from the sacred nature of the event if the individual considered this to be part of their ritual garb. Heck, if it was a private event, I really wouldn’t have much of an issue with it.

    However, the context of Pagan Pride Day is to show non-Pagans who may not understand what we do what Paganism is about. To degrade our sacred practices to a public appearance of a cosplay is insulting! Some argue that since this is what we do in private that it should be just as acceptable to do in public.

    I argue that at a public event where non-Pagans are learning about our religions should be treated differently than a private event where we are doing a ritual that may be a bit personal in nature. Showing up in fairy wings to an educational event is something that shouldn’t be done. It has obvious consequences and as a result I cannot tolerate such stupidity and short-sightedness with handling our seemingly delicate public image.

    Again, nothing immoral about this, nor is there anything unethical. However, portraying the Pagan community in this way to those who may not otherwise ever encounter us still falls under the category of stupid in my opinion.

    Just my two cents.

    Apr 12, 2009 at 4:21 pm
  • paganspiritualitytoday

    Hi Dave to answer your question in the shortest way possible, yes fairy wings are fine. I feel to pretend that people wearing fairy wings is not part of Paganism is to lie but, far more important I am not going to tell people that their freedom to be themselves is dependent on a “group think” idea of how Pagans should behave. I have always had the attitude of “grin and bear it” when the more unconventional folks dress or act different from me in a public setting, it is their right. By the way, fairy wings would be considered not worth mentioning at Pagan Pride here in Seattle, people are far more outlandish here.

    Apr 12, 2009 at 4:33 pm
  • David Carron

    Heilsa Kveldrida,

    Regarding the above comments about fairy wings, I believe that moral issues and good taste are two separate ideas. I tolerate bad taste not bad behavior. Lots of folks do stuff I don’t and that’s ok. Wings are in poor taste (but it’s not a moral issue) but it is one of many reasons I don’t frequent many PPD events.

    Regarding your episode, I distinguish religiously moral wrongs. To date I have only found two that scream for my action: racism and Jotun worship (Fenris, Jormundgun and Surt). And I combat them as they cross my path.

    What does that mean? Frankly not much, this is a free country and I believe in free speech. They do have their right to their wrong beliefs. Thus, my sole weapon is more free speech. I yell loud. I communicate my beliefs where and when I can. I hope that by sharing with people about my specfic practices. That I believe in a religion of spirituality, hope and joy for myself, my Community and my Gods.

    And thanks for the plug. :)

    Wes Thu Hal David Carron

    Apr 12, 2009 at 7:23 pm
  • Mike

    I think that music adds to the show. Just make sure that you’re getting permission from the label so you don’t get in trouble.

    Apr 16, 2009 at 4:30 pm
  • Mike

    I just read the preceding post and I have definate with people deciding for other people which gods they can worship and which they can’t. This is the same exact thing as the bible thumpers do to pagans in general. If someone wishes to honor the aesir, vanir and jotuns, it’s none of your affair. Most of the aesir and vanir are married to jotuns any way. Heimdallr is a jotun. Loki is a jotun. Skadi is a jotun. Aegir is a jotun. Thor does not go and wipe out the jotuns. He goes after only certain jotuns. Saying “thou shalt not honor the jotun”, is complete crap. Making that decision for your self is perfectly fine even if it’s looking at Asatru through Christian colored, dualistic glasses. It’s fine for you, it’s wrong to push it onto other people.

    Apr 16, 2009 at 6:30 pm
  • Mike

    The first sentence should read

    … and I have definite problems with …

    Apr 16, 2009 at 6:39 pm
  • Mike

    I just love the “They do have their right to their wrong beliefs”, line. That just cracks me up. It’s classic.

    Apr 23, 2009 at 12:36 am